In your opinion, based on your experience, what is the fairest possible way to evaluate a student's work? POST your answer then REPLY to two classmates.
Base on my experience, I have never evaluate a student's work before. In my opinion, the fairest way it should base on the rubric and how much time the students spend on their work. For example in my high school St.Johnsbury Academy, first day of my math class my teacher name Peter Wright he went over the rubric and explained how class is going to look like for the rest of the semester. When he gave us a homework assignment he always reminded us that if you want to get 100% you have to follow the rubric which is make sense of problems and persevere in solving them, reason abstractly and quantitatively and model with mathematics. He also asked his students for a volunteer to come up to the whiteboard and explain how did you get the answer. I think that is a really good way to evaluate a student's work because it show that the students did or did not do their assignment. If the students did not do their assigement that is not mean they are lazy. If the teacher think in a good way which is that students did not understand in class and they afraid to says I don't understand, so they cannot do the assignment. That is might be a problem.
I agree with the methodology that you expose. I think that the best way to evaluate students depend by their effort and their objectives. They can improve more easy their knowledge and they know what the objectives are to need in each course that they take in the university or school. On the other hand, my teacher of mathematics used the same methodology in high school to explain calculus but in my case it was obligatory to pass the whiteboard.
The teacher asked student to solve the question in the board and explain that to students. This isn't good way to evaluate because some times it is easy to solve, but difficult to explain. If anyone wants be a perfect teacher, he has to make student love this class. Also, it is hard to evaluate the student by one question or one exam. In order to be accurate when you evaluate student, you have to make plane and make different kinds of projects that extract their knowledge and skills not by doing some traditional exams, like vocabulary test, which are some times based on the ability of memorizing.
The fairest possible way to evaluate students depend of their capacities and the characteristics of the rubric. First, It is not the same evaluate a group of students who have a lot of knowledge and compare with another group who don't have the same capacities. Clearly, it demonstrates a bad evaluation because people who have difficulties need more support in the course. Also, each person in the world has the skills and weakness. We need to understand that they don't have the same skills in the all courses and they don't want to have the same skills in each class. People have a dream and they know what they want to obtain this dream. Second, we need to show easily the game of the rules because students that don't catch the information of evaluation can be confuse in the semester. If they know that they need to give the homework this day and they receive the score for whatever reason, they probably don't have problems to obtain their results. Finally, I think that exist a lot of ways to evaluate but if we know the characteristics of students and they know the rules of the game, the evolution is more fairest.
I quite agree with you especially for the first idea. Needless to say, students' knowledge of a subject varies, so teachers have to pay attention it. Then it sounds more fair to evaluate individual efforts.
I really like what you said about ''We need to understand that they don't have the same skills in the all courses and they don't want to have the same skills in each class". I think this is a really good point because each the people cannot remember as much things as the other do, but they can work as hard as they can. No one can tell you what you have to do because that will make you feel really uncomfortable. It has to go step by step. If you give a lot of effort on something that you really want to get it, someday you will get it.
I don't accord with you, Mr, Jaun, because in my view, I believe I'm capable to distinguish between students who genuinely work hard and those who don't. It's not all about grading or evaluation, I guess I'm a slight bit off topic, but I want to point that out working in a group is better than working individually. I'd set up my students well for their future. They will lack their teamwork skills which more probably they will be involved with in their career.
In order to evaluate student's work fairly, there two ways of solution. First, it should be evaluated besed on students' ability. Some students have already background of the subject, others are not familiar with those contants. In that case, it is more harder for the latter to get a good grade than the former. Then teachers should condier the fact. Secondly, teachers should make efforts that hardworking students get a fair grade compared with other lazy students. Sometimes not hardworking students get good a good score even though they do not work hard on it while earnest students do their best, and it is not fair to those students. So teachers should distinguish these two students in orser to be fare enough.
I really like the second way, which is ''teachers should make efforts that hardworking students get a fair grade compared with other lazy students''. That's a really good point of Yuki sentences this is tell how the teacher should grade the assignment and also know the level of her students.
I agree with both of you. Some teachers' work is reflected in their students, but on the other hand I don't believe that professors want to inflate student's grades if they were not deserved during the academic period.
I agree with your two ideas. I think that you try to support the students works and validate them. A big problem that happen with students is when teachers say that they can not make anything because they don't have the capacities. The students lost the perseverance and they believe that really don't have the capacities to make anything in your life. These types of students exist a lot in many schools in the world. The bad scores that students have in the curriculum was a simple observation of the teacher that became a normal student in a bad student.
I'll talk as engineer. The fairest possible way to evaluate a student's work is portfolio which is the file or folder that contains the student's work, skills, or ideas relative to one course during studying period. Also, It could record and prove the best works of student, or some skills which still improve. I'm against the idea of exams because it detects and measures the knowledge and skills of students from limited points in limited time. Otherwise, the portfolio gives full opportunity to students to show us his knowledge and skills. Portfolio improves the ability of students to think as reflective thinking which shows the changes of students level in each course since he started until present day.
Mr Meshari, I like the idea of the portfolio; however, you mentioned that you are against the idea of exams. I'm not certain if you are altogether against it, but I consider everything in the universe has to be examined and analyzed.
I Believe there are many ways to evaluate students, the first thing I would pay attention for is that whether or not student comes to class on time. If yes, so then he or she is respecs the time and the class. Secondly, in my opinion, teamwork is one of the best ways to learn where students can participate and show their ideas. Students' behavior with each other takes a big part of the evaluation. Students who do not respect other students' idea, they might be in trouble in the future, so this has to be done with school and they have to be taught how to be respectful. The last way, Critical thinking questions are one of the best ways to evaluate the student's work. By this way you can find out how smart each student is. Students who do not answer critical questions are not stupid, but they are less likely to be working hard as others who answer critical questions. Students who participate and interact in lectures are well-evaluated. In short, one way to determine the level of student achievement in a particular topic which everyone has been involved with, is to set an exam that contains questions about what the students have just been learned.
Some times critical questions are asked by lazy students, so they got good evaluate according to your opinion. Also, teamwork doesn't show the individual work because the teacher will evaluate the final work of group, and it is difficult to evaluate each one. Suppose if one student did great work in teamwork, and he comes early every day, but he failed in exam, what is your point? And suppose if one student didn't do great work in teamwork, and he comes late every day, but he got the highest mark in exam, what is your point?
That's a good point Meshari. I guess professors are the only reliable source, they´re the only one who knows their own students and what they do. There must be an evaluation structure related to the content of the class and how the student´s knowledge is going to be measured.
Meshari's question is a good question. However, at first point, lazy students will not behave well in general. So a teacher can cosider that attidude as a minus point in grading. Then it could be balanced.
I don´t think there is only one way to evaluate student´s work. We must keep in mind that there are different levels of education and it is impossible to find the perfect model to judge their work. Depending on age, professors could consider focusing on more practical lessons and not give as much importance to the final grade in the class. One of the most efficient education systems is that of Finland, it does not evaluate students with a grade until they are 10 years old. They value responsibility, teamwork, perseverance, homeworks above grades.
Base on my experience, I have never evaluate a student's work before. In my opinion, the fairest way it should base on the rubric and how much time the students spend on their work. For example in my high school St.Johnsbury Academy, first day of my math class my teacher name Peter Wright he went over the rubric and explained how class is going to look like for the rest of the semester. When he gave us a homework assignment he always reminded us that if you want to get 100% you have to follow the rubric which is make sense of problems and persevere in solving them, reason abstractly and quantitatively and model with mathematics. He also asked his students for a volunteer to come up to the whiteboard and explain how did you get the answer. I think that is a really good way to evaluate a student's work because it show that the students did or did not do their assignment. If the students did not do their assigement that is not mean they are lazy. If the teacher think in a good way which is that students did not understand in class and they afraid to says I don't understand, so they cannot do the assignment. That is might be a problem.
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DeleteI agree with the methodology that you expose. I think that the best way to evaluate students depend by their effort and their objectives. They can improve more easy their knowledge and they know what the objectives are to need in each course that they take in the university or school. On the other hand, my teacher of mathematics used the same methodology in high school to explain calculus but in my case it was obligatory to pass the whiteboard.
DeleteThe teacher asked student to solve the question in the board and explain that to students. This isn't good way to evaluate because some times it is easy to solve, but difficult to explain. If anyone wants be a perfect teacher, he has to make student love this class. Also, it is hard to evaluate the student by one question or one exam. In order to be accurate when you evaluate student, you have to make plane and make different kinds of projects that extract their knowledge and skills not by doing some traditional exams, like vocabulary test, which are some times based on the ability of memorizing.
DeleteThe fairest possible way to evaluate students depend of their capacities and the characteristics of the rubric. First, It is not the same evaluate a group of students who have a lot of knowledge and compare with another group who don't have the same capacities. Clearly, it demonstrates a bad evaluation because people who have difficulties need more support in the course. Also, each person in the world has the skills and weakness. We need to understand that they don't have the same skills in the all courses and they don't want to have the same skills in each class. People have a dream and they know what they want to obtain this dream. Second, we need to show easily the game of the rules because students that don't catch the information of evaluation can be confuse in the semester. If they know that they need to give the homework this day and they receive the score for whatever reason, they probably don't have problems to obtain their results. Finally, I think that exist a lot of ways to evaluate but if we know the characteristics of students and they know the rules of the game, the evolution is more fairest.
ReplyDeleteI quite agree with you especially for the first idea.
DeleteNeedless to say, students' knowledge of a subject varies, so teachers have to pay attention it. Then it sounds more fair to evaluate individual efforts.
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DeleteI really like what you said about ''We need to understand that they don't have the same skills in the all courses and they don't want to have the same skills in each class". I think this is a really good point because each the people cannot remember as much things as the other do, but they can work as hard as they can. No one can tell you what you have to do because that will make you feel really uncomfortable. It has to go step by step. If you give a lot of effort on something that you really want to get it, someday you will get it.
DeleteI don't accord with you, Mr, Jaun, because in my view, I believe I'm capable to distinguish between students who genuinely work hard and those who don't. It's not all about grading or evaluation, I guess I'm a slight bit off topic, but I want to point that out working in a group is better than working individually. I'd set up my students well for their future. They will lack their teamwork skills which more probably they will be involved with in their career.
DeleteIn order to evaluate student's work fairly, there two ways of solution.
ReplyDeleteFirst, it should be evaluated besed on students' ability. Some students have already background of the subject, others are not familiar with those contants. In that case, it is more harder for the latter to get a good grade than the former. Then teachers should condier the fact.
Secondly, teachers should make efforts that hardworking students get a fair grade compared with other lazy students. Sometimes not hardworking students get good a good score even though they do not work hard on it while earnest students do their best, and it is not fair to those students. So teachers should distinguish these two students in orser to be fare enough.
I really like the second way, which is ''teachers should make efforts that hardworking students get a fair grade compared with other lazy students''. That's a really good point of Yuki sentences this is tell how the teacher should grade the assignment and also know the level of her students.
DeleteI agree with both of you. Some teachers' work is reflected in their students, but on the other hand I don't believe that professors want to inflate student's grades if they were not deserved during the academic period.
DeleteI agree with your two ideas. I think that you try to support the students works and validate them. A big problem that happen with students is when teachers say that they can not make anything because they don't have the capacities. The students lost the perseverance and they believe that really don't have the capacities to make anything in your life. These types of students exist a lot in many schools in the world. The bad scores that students have in the curriculum was a simple observation of the teacher that became a normal student in a bad student.
ReplyDeleteI'll talk as engineer. The fairest possible way to evaluate a student's work is portfolio which is the file or folder that contains the student's work, skills, or ideas relative to one course during studying period. Also, It could record and prove the best works of student, or some skills which still improve.
ReplyDeleteI'm against the idea of exams because it detects and measures the knowledge and skills of students from limited points in limited time. Otherwise, the portfolio gives full opportunity to students to show us his knowledge and skills. Portfolio improves the ability of students to think as reflective thinking which shows the changes of students level in each course since he started until present day.
Mr Meshari, I like the idea of the portfolio; however, you mentioned that you are against the idea of exams. I'm not certain if you are altogether against it, but I consider everything in the universe has to be examined and analyzed.
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ReplyDeleteI Believe there are many ways to evaluate students, the first thing I would pay attention for is that whether or not student comes to class on time. If yes, so then he or she is respecs the time and the class. Secondly, in my opinion, teamwork is one of the best ways to learn where students can participate and show their ideas. Students' behavior with each other takes a big part of the evaluation. Students who do not respect other students' idea, they might be in trouble in the future, so this has to be done with school and they have to be taught how to be respectful. The last way, Critical thinking questions are one of the best ways to evaluate the student's work. By this way you can find out how smart each student is. Students who do not answer critical questions are not stupid, but they are less likely to be working hard as others who answer critical questions. Students who participate and interact in lectures are well-evaluated. In short, one way to determine the level of student achievement in a particular topic which everyone has been involved with, is to set an exam that contains questions about what the students have just been learned.
ReplyDeleteSome times critical questions are asked by lazy students, so they got good evaluate according to your opinion. Also, teamwork doesn't show the individual work because the teacher will evaluate the final work of group, and it is difficult to evaluate each one.
DeleteSuppose if one student did great work in teamwork, and he comes early every day, but he failed in exam, what is your point?
And suppose if one student didn't do great work in teamwork, and he comes late every day, but he got the highest mark in exam, what is your point?
That's a good point Meshari. I guess professors are the only reliable source, they´re the only one who knows their own students and what they do. There must be an evaluation structure related to the content of the class and how the student´s knowledge is going to be measured.
DeleteMeshari's question is a good question.
DeleteHowever, at first point, lazy students will not behave well in general. So a teacher can cosider that attidude as a minus point in grading. Then it could be balanced.
I don´t think there is only one way to evaluate student´s work. We must keep in mind that there are different levels of education and it is impossible to find the perfect model to judge their work. Depending on age, professors could consider focusing on more practical lessons and not give as much importance to the final grade in the class. One of the most efficient education systems is that of Finland, it does not evaluate students with a grade until they are 10 years old. They value responsibility, teamwork, perseverance, homeworks above grades.
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